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TAG Farnborough Airport loses bid for expansion

By Pete Castle and Jack Sommers
November 11, 2009

TAG Farnborough Airport has failed to get the support it needed from councillors for its plans to expand the number of flights.

Airport owner and operator TAG asked Rushmoor's planning committee for permission to raise the number of take-offs and landings from 28,000 to 50,000.

But despite advice from planning officers and a panel of aviation experts who urged elected members to back the proposals, councillors voted overwhelmingly to block the move.

TAG said the increase would bring thousands of new jobs to the area and would help the economy, while noise, the risk of a crash and pollution would not adversely affect people living nearby.

However, protesters disagreed, and their concerns won over councillors who voted 7-1 in favour of binning the proposal.

Appeal risk

TAG may now appeal against the decision. Such a move is likely to lead to another lengthy and expensive public inquiry which will have to be paid for by council tax payers in Aldershot and Farnborough.

The council's head of planning, Keith Holland, who endorsed the report recommending that the increase should be allowed, warned the politicians that in his opinion, any appeal by TAG into their decision would probably succeed.

The last appeal by TAG in 2007 to increase the number of weekend flights from 2,500 to 5,000 a year cost the council £110,000 in consultants and legal fees alone.

After the meeting, Geoff Marks, chairman of the Farnborough Airfield Residents' Association, who has led the campaign against the plans, said he felt vindicated in his opposition and said he was "looking forward" to fighting an appeal.

For full details and analysis of what the decision means for the future of Farnborough and the surrounding towns, see the News & Mail out on Friday, November 20.

THE DEBATE - MINUTE BY MINUTE

7pm - The debate is under way, with Rushmoor's head of planning Keith Holland outlining the reasons why the council believes TAG should be allowed to almost double its flights to 50,000 a year. It's standing room only at the back of the public gallery, with around 100 people at the meeting to hear the debate.

7.30pm - Speakers against the plans begin their efforts to persuade the politicians that the experts have got it wrong. First up, Farnborough resident Andrew Bower expresses his concern that a crash could happen to a plane taking off or landing. He sits down to rapturous applause.

7.39pm - Majit Dhamrait, from Farnborough, says: "The noise levels are horrendous."

7.43pm - Hart councillor Jenny Radley, from the Fleet and Church Crookham Civic Society, focuses her opposition on public safety issues.

7.49pm - Geoff Marks, chairman of the Farnborough Aerodrome Residents' Association, asks the planning committee to delay the decision until they have better information. He accuses Rushmoor's planning officers of ignoring the advice of their own air safety experts. He said: "Don't leave it to others to defend your judgement, as they would have to should a crash occur."

7.55pm - Clive Thomas, a resident of Kempton Court, Farnborough, says the smell of aviation fuel affects asthmatics in his home. "Sometimes the smell of aviation fuel is that thick that it burns your eyes and mouth," he said.

8pm - Brian Fyfe, a Farnborough resident, said the impact of noise was like "water torture" and questioned the impact of the increase in flights on children's education. "Children might not go deaf, but they might go daft," he said. "Every time a plane goes over I have to stop speaking - I will have to that more times, and more times."

8.05pm - Gordon Keyte, of the Crondall Society, says residents in Crondall already suffer from flights of military helicopters from RAF Odiham. "Why should we be made subject to more noise for the benefit of the few?" he asked the meeting. 

8.10pm - Celia Hayden-Cook, from Seale, says that homeowners are unable to sell their houses as buyers are put off by the prospect of extra flights. "It's naive for people to expect this will stop. They will be back in two years asking for more [flights]. It's only going to get worse."

8.16pm - Get Hampshire reporter suffers computer crash. Apologies to David Mansfield, who said some interesting things. To find out what, and for a full analysis of the night's decision, see next week's News & Mail, out on Friday, November 20.

8.22pm - Kevin Daley from Mytchett is up now. He's talking about the effects of noise on children's cognitive abilities.

8.28pm - Brian Townley, councillor from Surrey Heath, says planners from Camberley disagree with their colleagues in Farnborough.

8.34pm - Richard Appleton, from Hart District Council, says Fleet planners also disagree with the Rushmoor report.

8.40pm - David Stewart, from the South East England Development Agency, sits down to boos from the audience after suggesting that the economy of the region would benefit from a bigger airport.

8.44pm - Guy Lachlan, from British Business General Aviation, suggests that business jets are as clean as cars and are "very quiet" - a suggestion that raises hollow laughs from the audience. He sits down to a slow clap and chairman John Marsh has to call for order.

8.49pm - Marwan Khalek, chief executive of Gama Aviation, a Farnborough Airport-based jet company, says private jets are not just for celebrities but are essential for the UK and local economy.

8.53pm - Brandon O'Reilly, chief executive of TAG Farnborough Airport, says the airport has consulted widely on its expansion, and the new 50,000 limit would lead to a significant benefits to the area.

8.58pm - That's the end of the public speaking - now the experts are clarifying some issues...

9.10pm - George Paparesti (Con, Manor Park) - says he will be voting AGAINST the proposal.

9.15pm - Adam Jackman (Con, Knellwood) - says he also will be voting AGAINST the increase of flights. It's not looking good for TAG. Both councillors have so far sat down to keen applause.

9.22pm - Sue Dibble (Lab, North Town) - she's "really sadly unable to support the application this evening" and therefore AGAINST.

9.28pm - Craig Card (Lib Dem, Mayfield) - he's not making his voting position clear but wants to change weekend flight limits. Head of planning Keith Holland says it's "all or nothing".

9.31pm - Ken Muschamp (Con, Fernhill) - wants to support jobs, says he "doesn't really understand" risk contours but doesn't think Farnborough Airport passengers are contributing to the local economy. He's going to vote AGAINST.

9.44pm - Gareth Lyon (Con, Empress) - says he supports TAG but feels that the will of the people should hold sway. Is voting AGAINST

9.52pm - Brian Parker (Con, Empress) - will vote AGAINST the application, but is keen to put the BBC and ITV reporters right on their terminology. That's six votes against - TAG has lost. Brandon O'Reilly, TAG's boss sitting in the front row, looks stoney faced. Geoff Marks, the chairman of the residents' association that opposed the plan, sitting a few seats away, is positively beaming.

10.02pm - Charlie Fraser-Fleming (Lib Dem, Mayfield) - is concerned about safety. But after a long speech he says he will vote FOR the increase in flights.

10.17pm - Steve Smith (Con, West Heath) - asks about the current flight numbers but gives no indication of his voting intentions.

10.18pm - Peter Crerar (Con, Manor Park) - says parts of Rushmoor will benefit from more flights.

10.30pm - Head of planning Keith Holland is summing up, but says that he feels that while councillors look set to vote against the application, the likelihood is that their decision will be overturned at an appeal.

THE FINAL VOTE:
In favour: 1
Against: 7
Abstentions: 3

Check www.gethampshire.co.uk for video reports, and see the News & Mail, out on Friday, November 20, to find out how this decision will affect your town.

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   Reply to following:- Anybody who thinks the expansion of the airport will benefit the local economy and bring thousands of jobs to the area is a fool. It might not bring thousands of jobs - but it has done allready a lot to the local economy - like new hotels on the site - housing close by - also your town has more going on that it has manyyears ago, and thenyou have the air show - which also brings in thousands of people and business men and women - lots of things that do bring in to the local economy. How many of you travel by air to do what you want - how do you think people who live by airports that you all use - heathrow started small didn't they - air travel has become a big problem for all kinds of people - even those who live next to some of the big airports that cater for you to travel the world - but you still travel don't you. Those that use air travel cannot complain at all. it is calling the kettle black isn't it? I have not been on a plane at all, but lived locally all my life - have planes travel over my house daily - even the armed forces travel over in their aircraft to get from a-b some are really low but we cannot complain everytime this happerns because after all we are at war - and things go on that are out of our control, yes I agree you can complain but really do you get what you want all the time - I doubt it don't you?
Aldershot Born
26/01/2010 at 11:54 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   Anybody who thinks the expansion of the airport will benefit the local economy and bring thousands of jobs to the area is a fool. The type of person who uses the airport will not spend a penny in the town. They are whisked into and out of the airport in their chauffeur driven cars. Drive from the M3 to the airport and see how many luxury cars use see.
Margaret Reinstadtler
20/01/2010 at 00:36 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   This recently posted comment suggests the anti-airfield league don't really enjoy the fact that the wider population are becoming aware of their negative attitudes and the damage they are doing to future prosperity of the area.

"I understand that you moderate comments. Well I don't think that you should have allowed this article to turn into the 'chat room' that it has."
basher, Deepcut
29/11/2009 at 14:41 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   I understand that you moderate comments. Well I don't think that you should have allowed this article to turn into the 'chat room' that it has.
Its Douglas
28/11/2009 at 23:42 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   pjt " Who is arguing against investment? I'm not and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise."

sorry PJT but you are, because in the total absence of any alternative plans (excluding for obvious reasons more housing and/or shops) the logical investment focus here-is the long established airfield which you and your friends are against. Clearly there is excellent potential here for attracting new technology and other future looking businesses into the hinterland, and with cooperation and open minded discussions with neighbouring councils (a bit of a challenge) the outcome would improve this area beyond recognition ..and most importantly grow the area's reputation nationally and consequently we have an improving local economy as opposed to a stagnant one.
basher, Deepcut
25/11/2009 at 16:05 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   "Farnborough airport has brought in quite a lot of investment allready - you only have to look down farnborough road and on the outskirts of the airport"

I agree, it has - but only because the land has been put to use. Any sensible use of this valuable asset - whether an airfield or not - would have done the same. The area has been deperately short of hotels for some time so it is no surpise to see that this is one of the first improvements. It has also brought jobs - but so would other development options.

If Farnborough wanted to keep its strong connection with aviation then the local councils might have considered development unfer the flightpath - things have moved on since the 60s and 70s and so i still question its suitability as a busy airfield. I'd also suggest that the airfield / pyestock developments should not be considered in isolation; together they will have a massive impact on the quality of life for residents. One of them maybe - but not both!

Yes, I suppose I could move... but with so many snouts in the trough - the tax man wanting his stamp duty, solicitors fees, estate agents fees, more tax on top (VAT) etc. The real question is can I afford to? Not that simple is it?

The army reatreat from the area is a great shame - the Gurkhas where a huge asset to Church Crookham - and is costing the area dearly through jobs being lost and a smaller population. I am inclined to think that the army downsizing its presence here does have a lot to do with the lack of investment the town has seen in recent times. Is maybe the proposed development of 4,000+ houses on the Queens Parade will tempt more businesses into the area (see, I'm not totally against development though will miss the oppen space).
pjt
25/11/2009 at 15:47 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   Farnborough airport has brought in quite a lot of investment allready - you only have to look down farnborough road and on the outskirts of the airport - buildings going up every where flats and homes and hotels - and people getting jobs at the hotels close to airport.

If you go back over 20-30 years in farnborough you might find that your town didn't have much in it - but since land around the airport became vacant - more and more buildings have been built - I to have family who live on flight path of the airport - one difference they knew when they moved their that it was a working airport and had no problems, prices of houses and flats in farnborough has gone up considerable due to the investment in Farnborough, things have to change.

Airport was their before a lot of houses and flats were even built in Farnborough - so why are people complaining about what the owners TAG want to do, if you are unhappy with the in goings and out goings in Farnborough airport then move - some where their isn't an airport.

Farnborough has the airport and Aldershot is the home of the british army and without either of these both towns wouldn't have a lot of things would they.

All lot of the army has allready moved from Aldershot over the years - is that the reason why the council aren't doing much in Aldershot?

Rushmoor Borough Council mainly tories would rather Farnborough and Aldershot be housing and nothing else.

answer to following:- "In reference to the fact that Aldershot may lose it's 2012 Olympic base Camp you have stated that it's a shame because "The town is badly in need of investment". Why the contrast in opinion to the current investment into Farnborough by the likes of TAG?"

Farnborough has allways had the investment from the airport and the council thats the reason why Farnborough has been built up over the years - Aldershot on the other hand hasn't had the investment and the only place the Olympic team can train is on army land, which is a shame because if Aldershot had as much investment as Farnborough over the years maybe they would of had more facilities for them to train.

And the Council wonder why the Olympic team go else where to train.
Aldershot Born
25/11/2009 at 12:28 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   "It will be a big mistake nnot having the investment in Farnborough from TAG - because look at Aldershot we haven't had the investment and look how much of a town we have"

Investment in the airport will have some benefit on the town BUT does it give the best bang for its buck? No? What are we looking at here in reality? A 1,000 jobs from the airport - that is small beer in comparison to the job opportunities from a site this size. and lets face it - users of the airport are unlikely do a bit of last minute shopping on our local high streets. "Those that fly for holidays and business that are saying no to TAG are calling the kettle black because if they fly then they cannot talk can they"

Oh yes we can - see previous comment. I acknoledge that flight is sometimes a necessity. Airliners are mass transport. One flight from Heathrow can be the equivalent of over 350 from Farnborough. I try to fly as little as possible, and when I do I do it in a much more efficient manner.

"In reference to the fact that Aldershot may lose it's 2012 Olympic base Camp you have stated that it's a shame because "The town is badly in need of investment". Why the contrast in opinion to the current investment into Farnborough by the likes of TAG?"

Who is arguing against investment? I'm not and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. I'm just arguing against WHAT is invested in. Any investment in busines is likely to have down sides for locals but you expect the benefits to outweigh this. In the case of Farnborough - lots of noise, pollution, safety risks balanced against image and a relatively small number of jobs. The airport is unlikely to bring in much money into the community itself.

"Both are existing facilities which are being modified for increased use. Both of which benifit the local economy through investment no doubt?"

See above. A decent shopping centre will bring in shoppers whether the airport is there or not. The airport will not be not the reason for the success of Farnborough / Aldershot because it will not bring a great deal to the community. I suspect even the plane spotyters bring their own packed lunches.
pjt
25/11/2009 at 08:52 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   It will be a big mistake nnot having the investment in Farnborough from TAG - because look at Aldershot we haven't had the investment and look how much of a town we have!

Those that fly for holidays and business that are saying no to TAG are calling the kettle black because if they fly then they cannot talk can they?
Aldershot Born
24/11/2009 at 17:50 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   PJT: In reference to the fact that Aldershot may lose it's 2012 Olympic base Camp you have stated that it's a shame because "The town is badly in need of investment". Why the contrast in opinion to the current investment into Farnborough by the likes of TAG?

Both are existing facilities which are being modified for increased use. Both of which benifit the local economy through investment no doubt?
A N
24/11/2009 at 17:25 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   AN

Yes they ARE valid opinions - and you will not find me berating individuals who have opposing views just because their view differs. I just object to those who are pro-airport caling the anti's NIMBYs... This is is in effect saying that their views don't count because they would object to everything and anything. It takes no account of the individual's circumstances and its use moves a debate from discussion of the issue to denigarion of the individual and to personal insult. lets face it, it IS an insult and is usually hurled when someone runs out of valid arguments.

Both sides of any issue such as this need to be discussed rationally and sensible decisons made based on facts and real evidence. You might not like the decision that the process leads to, but if it is a fair, genuinly open and democtaric process so be it. I would point out that Pystock has been anything but fair and open - thanks to the Department of the Environment. (Its also borderline democratic given the percentage of the population that actually voted in this government).
pjt
23/11/2009 at 12:15 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   PJT

Are the views of the people that live and work in the area, who also have homes and families here, that support the airport and it's existance not valid? Just because they are not the same as yours?
A N
23/11/2009 at 10:29 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   "is the noise from the military and the M3 softer on your ears than a 1 minute landing or take off? " Basher,

50,000 x 1 minute = 50,000 minutes - that's quite a lot.

I said before on this posting, accusing objectors of being NIMBYs is unjust and unfair - In fact I'd say it is just pathetic. Just because someone's views are not yours does not mean that their views are not valid. They are views of people that have homes and families in the area, people who may see the value of their homes go down because of noise and safety concerns.

pjt
21/11/2009 at 18:54 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   Does Glen M live on planet ZOG?

The uni idea is bizarre- there is no infrastructure here to support a student population. Anyway part of the uni experience is to move away from home, not to trundle one mile down the A325 from the Farnborough 6th!

I despair at the negativity towards the airfield and as for the thought that our local councils , neither of whom has exhibited any vision in livng memory can come up with any grandiose scheme to either replace the airport or combine is pie in the sky.

The whole tone of his rambling note suggests classic NIMBYISM. There is no overwhelming public opinion against developing the airfield. Instead a group of visionless people have persuaded a group of completely visionless councillors that this area shall remain as is, just another piece of commuter belt surburbia forever rejecting progress and developments, instead staying stuck firmly in the last century enjoying the two white elephant shopping malls which have sprung up in Camberley and soon in Farnborough courtesy of our councils great vision!!

For those protestors who have jumped on the emissions band wagon can they enlighten me as to the emissions created by retail centres and people getting to and from?

is the noise from the military and the M3 softer on your ears than a 1 minute landing or take off?

And finally which aiports do those of a NIMBY inclination use when they travel by air?

The recent changes around the airport have vastly improved the first impressions of Farnborough for many, new hotels are being built and there is a once in lifetime opprtunity for this town and surrounding area to move forward and attract new opportunities to secure a good economic foundation.

Lets hope the appeal widens the debate a bit further and our local councils get some 2020 vision.

EJ Deepcut
basher, Deepcut
20/11/2009 at 22:18 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   "Farnborough deserves a decent town"

Digireedoo - I agree with you 100% on this. When first moved to the area in 1985 I lived on Church Road West (I can remember the noise of engine tests into the night). Farnborough seemed to have much more character and soul in those days - and though the town centre wasn't up to much it always seemed friendly and welcoming - and somewhere that I felt that I wanted to live. Maybe it was made that way by the number of workers from the RAE (as it was then) and Pystock.

Perhaps I'm showing my age but I don't have much confidence that current development will restore the community feeling. The development around the main airport entrance on Farnborough Road makes the place look 'modern', an improvement in some respects - but it all looks pretty cold and clinical. What will make a difference is the number of people that live in the area and use the town centre, but this is one thing that the Farnborough Airport will not change noticably.
pjt
20/11/2009 at 10:14 Offensive or Inappropriate?
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