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Derelict pub 'should be on historic list'

By Jack Sommers
July 30, 2010

A DERELICT 19th century pub should be placed on a new list designed to preserve Farnborough and Aldershot’s heritage, according to a local historian.

The Tumbledown Dick in Farnborough, built around 1811, has been empty since February 2008 when it failed a health inspection. There are no plans on the horizon to re-open it.

The building is not listed, which would protect it from being demolished without permission from central government.

Jo Gosney, a historian and author of books about the history of Farnborough, said the Tumbledown Dick was historically significant.

Rushmoor Borough Council has just begun drawing up a local list of historically and architecturally significant buildings, but this would not offer the same protection as being nationally listed.

In the 1980s, Hampshire County Council drew up something similar – a list of so-called Hampshire Treasures.

Being on this list was not enough to save the 101-year-old Cargate Water Tower in Aldershot, which was pulled down in 2008 despite protests from residents.

Mrs Gosney still felt the Tumbledown Dick should be on the local list, saying: “It was the prime meeting place for many social activities well into the mid-1900s.

“It is featured in all historical accounts of the town, at one time being the venue for manorial courts, and there was probably an inn on the site long before that.”

She added: “It is empty and falling into disrepair but in a prime position on the Farnborough Road, it is of historical importance.

“I think it must be stressed that any list that is compiled should include buildings of historical significance as well as being of architectural interest.”

Forum Heritage Services, independent consultants on historical buildings, will be doing the survey for the council from July through to the end of November.

The borough has a high proportion of listed buildings, due to the Victorian structures in Aldershot military town and buildings at Farnborough Airport that contributed to the history of aviation.

Two of them – St Michael’s Abbey and Farnborough Hill School – are Grade I-listed, the highest category that only 2% of listed buildings fall into.

Lucie Tushingham, conservation and design officer at the council, said: “Rushmoor has a unique character with many historic and architecturally important buildings and structures, thanks to its Victorian heritage and its links with the army and aviation.”

She added: “The information gathered from the survey will be used to guide the council’s future planning policies and help us to protect Rushmoor’s historic heritage for the future.”

The study will involve experts viewing buildings, usually from the roadside, to record notable features such as Victorian styling and original sash windows.

In some cases, for example if large hedges surround a property, they may need to go onto private land to view the building.

If this is required, the consultants will tell the owners that they are doing the survey and will have a letter from the council to identify themselves.

The consultant will not need to enter the building to carry out the survey, unless a resident would like photographs to be taken of the inside.

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   As a memeber of the Surrey & Hants Border Branch of CAMRA. We would be very pleased to see the pub saved as such and listed on a historical list. So many pubs have already been lost in the local area and the "Dick" is one of Farnboroughs landmark buildings that needs to be reserved. The pub has a few disadvantges, such as it is very close to a busy road, but then it was a coaching house (i think) and it has limited parking facilites. But otherwise it is a GRAND old place and need some TLC, to bring it back to its former glory.
Paulcc, Mychett
13/08/2010 at 12:03 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   It's a disgrace that the council will threaten to fine you if you don't keep your front garden tidy (true!) but they have allowed this beautiful building to fall apart and be an eye-sore covered in metal sheeting and now the car park looks like a bomb site. One rule for only some of us eh ?
wotney, Farnborough
4/08/2010 at 12:17 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   Yep nowhere.... thats why theres a huge crime spree.. I put it all down to this!! :-) Re-open it, or fix it so i win the lottery!!!
Air Bear, Aldershot
2/08/2010 at 14:56 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   "Was also a great place for people to go and meet up at the weekends. for the last 2 years there has not been anywhere. :-(. " what nowhere ?????
martin wilson
2/08/2010 at 11:05 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   Please dont list as a historic builing. when i win the lottery, I plan to buy it and re-open. The local council maybe blind, but this place was packed every weekend and made lots of money. Was also a great place for people to go and meet up at the weekends. for the last 2 years there has not been anywhere. :-(.
Air Bear, Aldershot
2/08/2010 at 09:47 Offensive or Inappropriate?
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