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36,000 Gurkhas and their families are eligible to move to the UK
36,000 Gurkhas and their families are eligible to move to the UK
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Pension deal key to Nepalese immigration levels

By Pete Castle
February 11, 2011

THE area’s largest Gurkha welfare association has warned that the current level of Nepalese immigration to Aldershot and Farnborough is “only the tip of the iceberg”.

Another wave of elderly immigrants are poised to move to the area unless the government agrees to pay retired Gurkhas higher pensions, according to leaders of the British Gurkha Welfare Society, which has its main offices in Farnborough.

There are 36,000 former Gurkhas who, including their immediate family members, could number more than 100,000 Nepalese citizens that are now eligible to move to the UK.

The society warned that many Ghurkas are pinning their hopes on an improved pension deal from the UK government to improve their quality of life in Nepal.

If not, thousands more would see their only choice being to make the trip from Nepal – the 14th poorest country in the world – to Britain.

The comments, by the society’s chairman, retired Gurkha officer Major Tikendra Dewan, come after the area’s MP Gerald Howarth secured a meeting with the Prime Minister to discuss the issue this week.

Mr Howarth said the huge influx was in danger of overwhelming health, housing and schools services, adding that people in the two towns could not tolerate such a “massive and rapid” change.

The Tory MP’s intervention has led to an enormous outpouring of comments over Nepalese immigration. Some opposition politicians have criticised the Conservatives for helping to fuel intolerance towards the area’s new arrivals.

Mr Dewan said the response to Mr Howarth showed there were mixed feelings about the level of immigration to the area.

However, he said he believed the Gurkhas had shared a “unique bond of friendship” with the British that dated back almost 200 years. It meant the area’s latest immigrants had the utmost respect for their host country.

This history of service meant the UK government has a “small price to pay for a long overdue debt”, Mr Dewan said.

He pointed out that while soldiers in the British Army from Commonwealth countries, such as Australia or Fiji, had long enjoyed the right to settle in the UK and equal pay and pensions, the same rights were still denied to former Gurkhas.

While settlement rights had now been granted to almost all former Gurkhas and their families, most would not wish to move to the UK if equal pensions were also being paid, Mr Dewan said.

“As the current pension arrangements do not provide for an adequate standard of living in Nepal, many veterans believe their only option is to move to the UK,” he said.

“They believe they will be well looked after in the UK and will be able to support both themselves and their families. The reality is that most Gurkhas arrive in the UK unable to speak enough English to secure a job.

“The state support they believed they would be given either does not materialise or is just not enough. They are then forced to live in poverty, often separated from their families but unable to afford to go back to Nepal.”

Mr Dewan said it made both “moral and economic sense” to provide Gurkha veterans with a pension that allows them to support themselves and their families in Nepal.

When such veterans arrived in the UK they were entitled not only to £9,000 of pension tax credits, but to other welfare benefits such as housing allowance, heating allowance and use of the NHS, he said.

The government’s own figures showed that while it would cost the UK taxpayer an extra £50 million to raise Gurkha pensions to an equal footing with their British colleagues, the settlement of all eligible Gurkhas and their families in the UK could cost up to £400m.

Around 21,000 Gurkha veterans who retired before 1997, or their widows, still received either no pension at all or a much lower pension in comparison to their fellow UK soldiers, Mr Dewan said.

This meant that many elderly retired soldiers were forced to come to the UK to improve their standard of living.

“Most Gurkha veterans would prefer to stay in Nepal with their families if they were able to support themselves there,” Mr Dewan said.

“There are thousands of ex-Gurkhas awaiting the outcome of the pension campaign before deciding to migrate to the UK if left with no choice.

“So what Mr Howarth worries about is only the tip of the iceberg.”

Mr Dewan added that his society had worked positively with a number of organisations, including the council, police, fire brigade and schools, to help prepare them for the expected influx before it happened.

Read Mr Howarth's letter in full.

 

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   @mai The only one speaking half truths is you and your ilk.

Sadly, I've learnt that Rifleman Lachhiman Gurung VC (30 December 1917 – 12 December 2010) was recently deceased. R.I.P.

"Gurung was admitted to the Charing Cross Hospital on November 19 after his health condition worsened, suffering from pneumonia. He was survived by his second wife, Manmaya, and his five children." One of his sons became an officer in the 8th Gurkha Rifles.

In 1995 Gurung was provided a new house "for him and his family near the Gurkha Welfare Centre at Chitwan, using a donation of £2,000 from Armourers and Brasiers Company."

''In 2008, Gurung and Honorary Lieutenant Tul Bahadur Pun VC were two of the five claimants in a legal claim to allow Gurkha servicemen who had retired before July 1997 (when the Gurkha base moved from Hong Kong to the UK) to settle in the UK. The High Court ordered the government to review its policy, and Gurung was allowed to settle in Hounslow, where he was looked after by his granddaughter, Amrita.

Unfortunately, other Gurkhas, like the Gurkha I saw in a news report 18 months ago with multiple amputations and one eye living in poverty in Nepal, have as yet to benefit from Rifleman Gurung's last victory.
unhappy (now disgusted)
08/03/2011 at 00:55 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   Pathetic ?? You continue with the same old retinue of half truths but cant deal with historic facts that underpin this argument. Go read the enlistment contract for a nepalise recruit they were offered a perfectly adequate contract for their services, which was accepted and fulfilled with honour but who have now been let down by the greed and desperation of their countrymen. In reneging on that contract for personal gain. No marks for honour there i'm afraid.

We have many of our own heroes you are just full of it. Also see Rorkes Drift for extreme bravery sadly not a ghurkha in sight for you to crow about.

William Speakman-Pitt, VC (born 21 September 1927) is an English recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces. He was the first man to receive a VC from Queen Elizabeth II. He is one of the few living VC holders.

He was born and raised in Altrincham, England. He was 24 years old and a private in what was then The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment), British Army, attached to the 1st Battalion, King's Own Scottish Borderers during the Korean War when the following deed took place at United Hill, for which he was awarded the VC. Although his award was made by King George VI, Speakman was the first VC invested by Queen Elizabeth II.

On 4 November 1951 in Korea, when the section holding the left shoulder of the company's position had been seriously depleted by casualties and was being over-run by the enemy, Private Speakman, on his own initiative, collected six men and a pile of grenades and led a series of charges. He broke up several enemy attacks, causing heavy casualties and in spite of being wounded in the leg continued to lead charge after charge. He kept the enemy at bay long enough to enable his company to withdraw safely.[1]

Press reports of the time reported that Private Speakman began throwing bottles at the enemy after running out of grenades. The bottles were in fact beer bottles sent to the line for platoon consumption (40 men-approx 4 per man). By the time the platoon were attacked, the bottles were empty, thus constituting suitable weaponry.

Each and every case you quote can be matched by those valient deeds of our own men many times over.
mai
01/03/2011 at 17:53 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @mai -- What a pathetic response.

The fact remains the Nepalese and Afghans could NOT be DEFEATED and thus were NEVER colonised. So the British did the next best thing, which was to sign them up. Since then, they have proved exemplary comrades and defenders of Britain for 200 years.

Also, why continue recruiting once the Indian sub-continent became independent? The answer is because the Gurkhas are GREAT soldiers. Don't take my word for it:

"The Gurkhas are the ultimate professional soldiers, says Major Gordon Corrigan, military historian and a Gurkha officer for 29 years."

"Their conduct is, perhaps, best summed up by Rifleman Lachhiman Gurung, who found himself under repeated Japanese attack in Burma in 1945. With his comrades badly injured, he fought off 200 enemy troops single-handed - literally - having lost an arm and eye.

"When a relief force found him the next morning, his position was littered with 31 Japanese corpses. The 169 survivors had run away. Rifleman Gurung - who now lives in Middlesex - became one of the 26 members of the Brigade of Gurkhas to win the Victoria Cross (there would, undoubtedly, have been more but the VC was not extended to Gurkhas until 1911).''

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1296136/As-Gurkha-disciplined-beheading-Taliban-Thank-God-side.html

Then of course ALL of your and your ilk's blinkered arguments collapsed like a house of cards under scrutiny.

You can run all you like....RUN....RUN FAR like the Japanese soldiers did when faced with Rifleman Gurung.
unhappy (now disgusted)
24/02/2011 at 21:15 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @martin wilson

i totally here you, this country is becoming a joke... and it's almost happening overnight
DJSADERS, UK
23/02/2011 at 14:08 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @dippy Oh really Here's a starter for ten,, The Gurkha War (1814–1816), sometimes called the Gorkha War or the Anglo–Nepalese War, was fought between the Kingdom of Nepal (now Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal) and the British East India Company as a result of border tensions and ambitious expansionism. The war ended with the signing of the Treaty of Sugauli in 1816, which ceded around a third of Nepal's territory to the British. Prime Minister Bhimsen Thapa, with the support of the queen regent Tripura Sundari, remained in power despite the defeat of Nepal. The East india company then began to recruit ghurkhas because of their need to expand into areas of northern India still not under the control of the east india company etc etc etc geopolitical The British wanted to use such places as Nepal and afghanistan as buffers zones against any potential Russian / Chinese expansionist threats to India and found that both regions lend themselves to defence.So there was little incentive for the british to make any futher inroads to either country, etc etc etc Crimean war later etc etc etc Read your history books and dont tell me its all lies now Australia? who gives a toss they arent the ones being invaded now over some historic arrangement. I cant be bothered with you anymore
mai
23/02/2011 at 13:06 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @mai ---"Your understanding of geo political military history borders on the infantile you dont appear to understand the continued recruiting by the britsh army/uk government is purely a gesture to retain an influence in the region.."

Oh, do PLEASE enlighten me as to what "geopolitical significance" is Nepal that the British wish to retain influence?

Otherwise I would be inclined to think this fine pros as yet more HUMBUG ;-) from you to cover the fact that you just can't admit Britain needs these great soldiers from a small nation that Britain could not defeat. Thus Nepal was NEVER colonised.

Indeed, neither were the Afghans, who were recruited to be taken to Australia to help with such things as build the railways etc. Hence the camels in Australia!

Talking of Australia, did you know that history is being re-written to say that Captain Cook didn't discover Australia but that he charted eastern coastline of Australia because as the Australian Gov. website tells us: http://www.dfat.gov.au/facts/muslims_in_australia.html
unhappy (now disgusted)
22/02/2011 at 01:30 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @ dippy And your point is what???? That anyone and every one that has ever been of any service to this country in any capacity should gain right of settlement in this country. WW1 WW2 they were WORLD WARS. All your words are just vacuous bluster and you really should simmer down and read what you write, its nonsense. I cant be bothered with you if you dont understand what is being discussed here. Your understanding of geo political military history borders on the infantile you dont appear to understand the continued recruiting by the britsh army/uk government is purely a gesture to retain an influence in the region and hopefully the maoist government will stop this shameful use of these illiterate peasants both male and female that see only an escape and the chance to earn some money, by the british government. And I dont understand why you Dippy should condone it for one minute especially with your apparent political left leanings.

mai
18/02/2011 at 18:39 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @Aldershot Born re: The Urban Extension

It was just a suggestion that a big portion of this development could be set aside for those wanting to make a new life here. If the figure of 100,000 is true then this newly available land could at least accommodate some of them. Some could be housed in neighbouring towns like Camberley and Reading too so their community remains close knit geographically.
FrimleyRoadRob, Camberley
17/02/2011 at 15:11 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @Mai et al

"RAMmmm you must google what Nepaesel influence has done for the British economy it has no answer. You have made no difference for us. Taxpayers here have always paid your wages, and pensions before ghurkhas were given right to settle here, now they ask for more."

Your ignoring the Nepalese/Gurkhas contribution to the success and well being of Britain does not make it true. It just makes you and your ilk deluded and foolish as when Nick Griffin used a poster of Spitfire flown by a Polish fighter pilot. There were also Indian, West Indian, etc pilots too that fought for Britain.

It is clear you and your ilk have a deliberately blinkered view of Britain and British History, as YOU IGNORE facts like that the British couldn't defeat the Nepalese.Hence their recruitment as Gurkhas. and their continuing recruitment today. With the British Army going each year 4,500 miles to Nepal to recruit more Gurkhas. For the same reason India, with over one billion population, has 100,000 (your figures @mai, et al) Gurkhas!!!

Likewise, YOU IGNORE that they have been unjustly discriminated and hence why we have this situation.

However, the fact is British and Western History has been deliberately biased until very recently and is undergoing revision - although some lone worldly-wise scholars have been doing it since WW-II. For instance, at one time the British and other Europeans believed that the Taj Mahal could ONLY have been built by Europeans!!!! :-))))

For instance the Spanish Armada was defeated with the help from the Turks!!!

Millions of colonial soldiers fought in British wars such as WW-I & WW-II. Winning many medals of valour, including a LONG list of Victoria Crosses.

The BBC are presently making a five-part documentary on the British Empire to be shown this autumn - ENJOY IT @mai, @Aldershot born, et al
unhappy (now disgusted)
16/02/2011 at 13:30 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   I have no problem any one coming to the rushmoor area from any where but I am sorry to say that the rushmoor area has not got the infrastructor to take all those that come here.

Its okay building homes and putting them in those homes but we need more hospitals - doctors - dentists - schools and other infrastructor that is needed, we in Rushmoor have been struggling with the amount of people coming to live in aldershot and Farnborough.

From how I read it in the paper and on the tv last friday that the Ghurkas are finding it hard to live here due to not having the backing from the goverment to live here, well how do they think people like me feel worked most of their 33 years before getting cancer - and because I am ill do not get any help at all - I have had to live on nothing since june 2008 - and I have been born in the uk.

If I have no help where does that leave any one else?

Don't get me wrong I feel sorry for the Ghurkas because those who fought with us in many countries world wide do deserve help from us - but why are they all moving to Aldershot and Farnborough why can they not move to other army towns up and down the uk.

Aldershot Born
15/02/2011 at 18:37 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   I totally agree with mai and its Douglas But what I don't agree with is the following:-

The Urban Extension should have 5000 houses jammed in between Farnborough and Aldershot, so that will be able to take a large proportion of the influx. Any ideas where to build next? FrimleyRoadRob,

Why should this extension be for foreign influx?

Why do local people allows come last.

I still have grown up adults [my children] who still live with us in a 2 bedroom home, they don't get any help to get a home in their home town so why should those that come here from foreign lands get everything they want now?
Aldershot Born
15/02/2011 at 14:48 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   RAMmmm prestigious positions i.e Doctors, Engineers, Architects, IT, Civil Engineers e.t.c and some individual like you is just jealous of our progress........and your country will be sooooo glad to have this expertise used for their good when you return to Nepal with such skills. " non-national Gurkhas they have done way much more than you for Britain if you dont believe me just google it mate". RAMmmm you must google what Nepaesel influence has done for the British economy it has no answer. You have made no difference for us. Taxpayers here have always paid your wages, and pensions before ghurkhas were given right to settle here, now they ask for more. When british pensioners rush for the good life in Nepal then you can preach sermons to uk nationals. You should always remember it was only the government and judges that allow you to live here, not all the people have to like that decision or want you here.

mai
15/02/2011 at 14:26 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @Its Douglas Come Come Douglas its a bit rude and unfair to call the Gurkhas Scroungers, I think the problem is simple The Gurkhas should be welcome but they need to spread out about, because Aldershot & Farnborough just cannot take the strain. I work at the local hospital and its too busy way too busy
Wayno, aldershot
15/02/2011 at 11:29 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @ Tim Clark

So let me ask you Tim what have you done for your country so that you can challenge these non-national Gurkhas they have done way much more than you for Britain if you dont believe me just google it mate. The other point is you think that most of earning is sent to Nepal and have you realized how much they have brought to your country huh UK National please go beyond your thinking box and then only blame others based on correct information. For your kind information son/daughters of Gurkhas are contributing to your society very well by not staying unemployed, paying taxes and you might not be aware they also work in prestigious companies in prestigious positions i.e Doctors, Engineers, Architects, IT, Civil Engineers e.t.c and some individual like you is just jealous of our progress........and if you are so jealous go bang your head on the floor............
RAMmmm
15/02/2011 at 10:27 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   The Urban Extension should have 5000 houses jammed in between Farnborough and Aldershot, so that will be able to take a large proportion of the influx. Any ideas where to build next?
FrimleyRoadRob, Camberley
15/02/2011 at 10:05 Offensive or Inappropriate?
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