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Rushmoor approves controversial tax scheme

By Amy Taylor
January 29, 2013

COUNCIL tax benefit in Rushmoor will be replaced by a new scheme where everyone, even the worst-off, will pay a contribution.

The local support scheme was approved by councillors at a special meeting on January 23, despite protest from Labour councillors who said it was unfair on low-income families.

From April 1, everyone of working age living in Rushmoor borough will pay a minimum of 8% towards their council tax bill after the Government delegated authority to local councils to set their own benefit programmes.

While pensioners who receive council tax benefits will see no change to their support, everyone else who is eligible to work could see their benefit income fall.

Those who received benefits for 100% of their council tax bill will see that support fall to 92% – requiring them to pay at least 8% in a bid to encourage people back into work.

Introducing the scheme, council leader Peter Moyle, said: “This was a difficult issue since time was limited – we had to react as quickly as we could to develop a new scheme and address the loss of funding, which was quite huge.

“It was particularly difficult as it affects the more vulnerable in our community, and we have sought to minimise that.”

Neighbouring borough Surrey Heath, covering Camberley, Frimley and Bagshot, have reduced their maximum support level to 70% – requiring people to pay at least 30% of their tax bill, to which Rushmoor councillors responded with disbelief.

Labour councillor Mike Roberts slammed the decision as ‘deplorable’, adding: “The impact on the poorest cannot be comprehensively examined at present.”

Many agreed that Rushmoor’s proposal of 8% was reasonable but Labour councillors proposed that the scheme be reconsidered.

Cllr Alex Crawford said people receiving council tax benefit should continue to get the same level of support, rather than the council claiming what adds up to £431,000 during the 2013/14 financial year from the 3,600 poorest claimants in the borough.

“Early on we were led to believe this meant all recipients of council tax benefit of working age were going to have to pay something more than they do this year.

“I’ve always baulked at that, as it seems most unfair to be imposing extra charges on our poorest, lowest paid residents with the least money, while freezing council tax bills for everyone else.”

He said a hardship fund of £50,000 for the first year, set aside to ease the impact on the worst-off, would not be enough.

“There is the issue of chasing up the 720 poorest, lowest paid in the borough who are not expected to pay up,” he said. “They will end up in court if they cannot pay and they are refused payment from the Discretionary Exceptional Hardship Fund.”

Despite Labour’s concerns, the scheme was passed and councillor Charles Choudhary, who led the working committee which put the proposals together, said it would be reviewed in nine months to ensure the hardship fund was adequate and tax bills were being paid.

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   @PJA - Tory troll or just a Dull boy says: "On band D property the household who have to pay 8% will cost them £2.19 a week!!"

Hmm, when the Unemployed get just £71/week, less than a day's wage and who just got 70p/week rise!!

@PJA - Tory troll or just a Dull boy says: "I and many other council tax payers who pay full council tax would love to only pay £2.19 a week, but unfortunately that isn't the case."

Hey, if YOU FEEL so envious of the unemployed why don't you give up work and join them?

PUT UP or SHUT UP!!!
unhappy (now disgusted)
02/03/2013 at 01:52 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   peter hensman

"Every time the media talk about, interview or report upon UKIP they only mention the EU and immigration"

And I take it that the media is also responsible for the content of the UKIP web site (which I’ve just had a look at), because there doesn’t seem to me to be any difference.
Dawi, Aldershot
01/03/2013 at 17:31 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @PJA: "how wrong you are!"

Well why don't you come clean Tory troll instead of ducking and diving like Del Boy?

I have given you so many opportunities. Lets have YOUR FULL facts.
unhappy (now disgusted)
01/03/2013 at 16:53 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @ Dowi Yes some times UKIP does look as though they are a two trick pony, but, is that their fault? Every time the media talk about, interview or report upon UKIP they only mention the EU and immigration, if someone from UKIP tries to talk about the party’s manifesto they are cut short and the interview returns to the EU and immigration
peter hensman
01/03/2013 at 15:17 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   You state my wife hasn't suffered through Labour Goverment !

Where have you been my wife became seriously ill in 2008 when Labour goverment were in - they refused her much needed benefits at that time!!

You also state that I am on £111 a week thats a joke how wrong you are!

I only get it paid to me it doesn't include my wife at all, and you can see what the amount for 1 person is on the benefit website!

I also pay full council tax.

My circumstances have changing since my wife was diagnosed with cancer and I don't have to give you details on that.

As for my wife stating that she couldn't get help because she is married and her husband is responsible for daily needs, this is wrong considering my wife has allways worked paid full taxes for over 35 years [as a single person] because this is the way the uk goverment state that weather you are a married wife or not you pay tax as a single person, but when it comes to claiming benefits married women are not classed as single any more so they don't have to pay you benefits.

How fair is that if her friend who is single and pays the same tax as her but then goes sick can claim benefits but my wife cannot, and I allways thought the uk was equal rights for all!!

This is not the case.

But Hey Ho my wife is looking for work allthough she is still having chemo and suffering from cancer.

So really you have nothing to beleive any more because she has now signed back to work even though she may not get a job because of her illness, but has nothing to lose other than her life!!

Oh by the way I am not a Tory!!
PJA
01/03/2013 at 08:47 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   Yes when you get council/housing association homes at almost £1000 a month rent how much do they think people earn to get into a home!

But I forgot if a person lives in a housing association is expected to be on benefits and get free rent and council tax, from the tax payer!

But this is far from the truth their are many working families that have to pay this rent on very low wages, yet they are also struggling to make ends meet.

And yet those who get allmost everything free in rent and council tax are asked to pay 8% of their council tax to help with the local area complain, when their are others that have funded them for years so that they can have it for nothing in the first place.

On RBC it states following:- http://www.rushmoor.gov.uk/article/5493/Important-changes-to-council-tax-benefit-and-discounts.

On band D property the household who have to pay 8% will cost them £2.19 a week!!

I and many other council tax payers who pay full council tax would love to only pay £2.19 a week, but unfortunately that isn't the case.
PJA
01/03/2013 at 08:28 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @PJA: "I have just been on rushmoor borough council home finder website and thefollowing house is up for rent:- http://www.rushmoorhomefinder.org.uk/Data/ASPPages/1/24096.aspx?PropertyID=15731

"just under a £1000 a month in rent and this is suppose to be a low rent home, what a joke!!"

Take a look at these PRIVATE rentals - they are hilarious aren't they?: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/Farnborough/1-bed-flats.html

1 bd flat to rent for £2,520 PCMonth!!

or the more affordable: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-26027472.html/svr/1718;jsessionid=74D0A82493F6D4C192CC37BDC9EE542B

1 bd flat to rent for £765 pcmonth!!!

Ah, the much beloved of the Tories cost effective PRIVATE SECTOR!
unhappy (now disgusted)
01/03/2013 at 03:17 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   Oh, almost forgot.

I recall your 'wife' moaning about not getting benefits because you her husband was working!!

In posts here you claimed you had to live on Benefits of around £111.xx/week from this you had to pay everything such as your Council Tax!!

Like I said you have credibility problem and so are eminently qualified for political office.
unhappy (now disgusted)
01/03/2013 at 01:58 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @PJA "i have been labour party all my life and thinking now with what has happerned to my wife, which way to go?

"I feel it doesn't matter what party gets in to council/goverment their will be many that will suffer!

"As for my wife she has suffered through a labour goverment..."

Firstly, you are not believable.

Secondly, how is Labour to blame for your wife's ALLEGED suffering?

Hey if living on Benefits is such a paradise why not give up work and live on Benefits?

As they say PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!

Given your track record of posts herein I say you are a Tory troll PJA!!
unhappy (now disgusted)
01/03/2013 at 01:51 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @PJA: "unhappy maybe you should stand for council or goverment?"

"you seem to know alot?. "

Nah, PJA. I think YOU are far more eminently qualified for Political office seen as how you keep DUCKING the questions and of course talking a lot a tosh!!!
unhappy (now disgusted)
01/03/2013 at 01:40 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   "'You're talking s****': Tory MP Karl McCartney rebuked for insulting expenses watchdog in notes"

"A Conservative MP has been rebuked by the Commons expenses watchdog for writing “abusive and offensive” messages to its staff."

From Torygraph - so it MUST be TRUE!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/conservative-mps-expenses/9900998/Youre-talking-s-Tory-MP-Karl-McCartney-rebuked-for-insulting-expenses-watchdog-in-notes.html#disqus_thread
unhappy (now disgusted)
01/03/2013 at 01:36 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   SpongeBob NoPants, Farnborough ”although I understand the need for political change I feel there is something slightly sinister about UKIP”

Been thinking about that and it ties in with my last post regarding UKIP being a Single Issue Party and they seem to try and blame ever problem on one thing, in UKIP’s case it is the EU.

Of course that tactic has been tried before with disastrous results, last time being just over 80 years ago when a party leader tried blaming all of a countries ills on one single cause, which then gained popularity with the masses, and we all know what that lead to.

As they say history never repeats itself, but historical situations re-occur.

So it could be the echo of history that makes you think that there is “something slightly sinister” about UKIP.
Dawi, Aldershot
28/02/2013 at 21:13 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   peter hensman,

My concerns over UKIP is that they seem to be a one issue party, by that I mean other than taking us out of the EU, what do they really stand for and what are their policies (and I would argue that far from fixing our current problems taking us out of the EU would actually make things worse).

Also consider that it is a well know phenomenon that over the last few of decades the support of certain “Media Moguls” have been the main influencing factor on which political party got elected. However over that same period of time we have had a constant drip, drip, drip of “Bad News” EU Stories from those very same “Media Moguls” (some of which were not even true) because “Bad News” sells papers, so is it any wonder that so many people are anti-EU.

So voting for UKIP at best is no more than a “protest” vote (which the Tories and Labour will probably ignore anyway) and at worst could turn out to be a catastrophe for this country if they actually got in to power either alone or through another coalition.
Dawi, Aldershot
28/02/2013 at 16:47 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   Peter, although I understand the need for political change I feel there is something slightly sinister about UKIP. It may not be the fault of those that started it, but I can sense a disturbance in the force, it's like there are spiders gathering in the shadows while the web is spun before our very eyes. I don't trust them.
SpongeBob NoPants, Farnborough
28/02/2013 at 15:26 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   I have just been on rushmoor borough council home finder website and thefollowing house is up for rent:- http://www.rushmoorhomefinder.org.uk/Data/ASPPages/1/24096.aspx?PropertyID=15731

just under a £1000 a month in rent and this is suppose to be a low rent home, what a joke!!

Then the working family in this home has to pay council tax on top.

How much do the housing association think an average working person earns to pay this affordable rent states at bottom of page]?

Its okay if you are on benefits though because its paid in full including council tax less 8%, but the working family have to pay this before having any luxuries that many on benefits have.

So please tell us how the working family is suppose to cope?

Not just those on benefits.
PJA
28/02/2013 at 09:42 Offensive or Inappropriate?
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